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Chiapas

The table in the article still mentions a limit of 90 days for the ground of rape for this state. But that was modified a year ago (9 May 2023). Since then, the penal code is officially aligned to the federal law that allows abortion at any stage in case of rape or sexual abuse. See article 181, page 64:

https://www.congresochiapas.gob.mx/new/Info-Parlamentaria/LEY_0012.pdf?v=MzA=

https://ipasmexico.org/2023/05/03/chiapas-elimina-plazo-para-acceder-al-aborto-en-caso-de-violacion/

And, stay tuned because abortion could be officially decriminalised the next week (so the article could be modified again the next week, but we will see), as the Mexican Supreme Court ruled last week that reform is unconstitutional because it wasn't progressive enough (it still criminalises elective abortion on request). The local Congress is now working on that, the bill is ready and submitted, and the legislators have announced they might vote it the next week.

https://animalpolitico.com/genero-y-diversidad/chiapas-aborto-voluntario-legislacion

https://www.meganoticias.mx/tuxtla-gutierrez/noticia/ingresa-al-congreso-de-chiapas-iniciativa-para-despenalizar-el-aborto/568851

https://diariodechiapas.com/portada/despenalizacion-del-aborto-en-puerta/ Aleqc (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the limit in case of rape for Chiapas and Quintana Roo, and corrected it for Coahuila. I also updated the references to the penal codes of all states of Mexico. Heitordp (talk) 06:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Congress of Chiapas passed the law decriminalising abortion on request, it was published in the official gazette and included in the online version of the penal code cited in the table. I updated the table and map. Heitordp (talk) 08:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkmenistan

Didn’t Turkmenistan defacto ban abortion? 24.148.84.80 (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkmenistan reduced the gestational limit for abortion on request from 12 to 5 weeks, but didn't prohibit it completely.[1][2] It's similar to the heartbeat limit in some US states. Heitordp (talk) 06:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abortion is not a criminal offence in Northern Territory.

Abortion is not a criminal offence in Northern Territory, the procedure was decriminalized just like it was in every other state and territory. These articles confirm that it is legal in every jurisdiction.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/eds-blog/national-milestone-as-abortion-officially-decriminalised-in-every-state-and-territory-in-australia/

https://theconversation.com/abortion-is-now-legal-across-australia-but-its-still-hard-to-access-doctors-are-both-the-problem-and-the-solution-216278

Mix Orange And Purple (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This also leads to Australia being inaccurately mentioned as a country that cannot appear on the table due to not having legalized it nationwide, although admittedly it would be difficult to pinpoint a date since they did it on a state by state basis with no single date that applies to the entire country. Mix Orange And Purple (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map is indeed inaccurate. The Northern Territory is shaded green whereas by the image's colour scheme it should be mid blue. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been discussed before, see here, here, here, here, here, as well as the notes and sources cited in the table in the section on national laws. The table and map follow the UN classification, which makes a distinction between abortion allowed for social reasons and abortion allowed merely on request from the pregnant woman. Abortion in the Northern Territory is not a criminal offence but the law still requires that a doctor consider it appropriate based on medical and social circumstances. In practice the doctors might accept almost any reason, but the government sources clearly say that the law is not considered to allow it "on request".[3][4] In this aspect it's similar to the law in Great Britain. The sources that you cited above don't say that the Northern Territory allows abortion "on request" or "on demand". Heitordp (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining Heitordp. You noted here that the actual difference "is very small (or none)". It's indeed none. But if you're colouring the map by the legaleses rather than how the procedure is actually provided I understand what you're saying, and also why this is causing so much confusion, and why it will continue to do cause confusion for the foreseeable future. If there's a way to pin one of these conversations to the talk page that might save you some time explaining things again the future. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I added a code to prevent archiving this thread. Heitordp (talk) 04:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When will the new law go into effect in Norway?

I found out about the limit for on-request abortion being moved from 12 weeks to 18 weeks from seeing that someone had edited this article to say that but been reverted because the law isn’t in force yet, and I’m wondering when it will be. I know that we’re still waiting for Denmark’s law that was passed months ago to go into effect, but that law has a set date for going into effect, and all of the articles about the new Norwegian law (like https://www.newsinenglish.no/2024/12/03/norway-extends-abortion-rights/ and https://thestreetjournal.org/norway-raises-legal-abortion-limit-to-18-weeks-in-landmark-policy-shift/) seem to be saying that the law already is in effect and don’t say anything about any future dates when it actually will be (and the latter link was the most recent article I could find about it). 2600:100A:B1C8:54D4:C409:BD2C:A304:D79F (talk) 22:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The law in Norway is set to enter into force on 1 June 2025. This date was just specified yesterday.[5] I updated the note in the table.

The law in Denmark was not passed months ago, in fact it hasn't even been introduced in the parliament yet. In May 2024 there was only an agreement among the political parties, and in October 2024 the Ministry of Health submitted a draft for consultation. The draft specifies an effective date of 1 June 2025 but it could still change. Heitordp (talk) 02:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danish abortion law

I see that the article was recently edited to say that Denmark does have a viability limit for abortion in cases of rape and socioeconomic issues, but I cannot for the life of me find any source that doesn’t say that authorization can be given for any abortion after 12 weeks in cases of rape. I’ve tried my best to comb through the new reference that was posted, but I couldn’t find what part of it referred to abortion, so I would appreciate having that pointed out.

Frankly, this seems to me like another misunderstanding of availability vs. legality like what was recently corrected for Canada. It may be unlikely for an abortion to be granted after viability even in cases of rape, but it seems to me like it would be perfectly legal for it to be granted, so I can’t see any justification for putting “viability” instead of just “permitted” or “no limit” when there’s no mention of a gestational limit for those cases in the law.

Again, maybe every source out there except for this one is wrong about the contents of the law, but, if so, I would really appreciate having that pointed out, because I’m feeling a lot of doubt right now. 2600:100A:B1C6:340F:8D59:1EB2:F18:7D3 (talk) 02:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]